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Is it possible to post a model of the 2009 GWR based on the new system, so we can make comparisons?
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akouk wrote:Is it possible to post a model of the 2009 GWR based on the new system, so we can make comparisons?
Thanks for your time & devotion!
Yes he can !


In fact, I could too... but I may mistaken in all the differents versions he purposed...
He even made the comparisons on every year on my demand...
Let's try he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Nouveaux classements :

General
1) Alexsara79 : 6167
2) Luketes : 4618 (75% of the winner, against 55 now)
3) Akouk : 4156
4) AleksiNir : 3886
5) TuomoH : 3675
the sixth first stay the same

Race
1) Alexsara79 : 3800
2) Luketes : 2790
3) Akouk : 2512
4) AleksiNir : 2259
5) TuomoH : 2166

Hotlap
1) Alexsara79 : 1297
2) Serginho : 956
3) TuomoH : 951
4) Luketes : 925
5) maclape : 913

Timetrial
1) Alexsara79 : 1003
2) AleksiNir : 900
3) Luketes : 882
4) Akouk : 839
5) TuomoH : 570

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2003 :
1) Soltys 2054
2) Alx.it 1976
3) TuomoH 1826

2004 :
1) MagicJ 2763
2) Alx.it 2471
3) TuomoH 2176

2005 :
1) Jo.sk 2701
2) Alx.it 2120
3) MagicJ 1738

2006 :
1) Jo.sk 3042
2) JR Zullo 3006
3) SnakeJulio 2981

2007 :
1) Murano 5553
2) Alx.it 5382
3) Tony 4458

2008 :
1) Alx.it 5620
2) Murano 5149
3) Googol 3846
and Alexsara79 1pt ahead of Googol
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I´m reporting about mistake in ToM S7´s first race

12 Vilkku
14 Jo.sk
16 haq
13 SpL
17 Buka
15 Ivo
18 Gnappo

....
25 dalbom
27 Albomino
28 GRaucho
29 JoBar
26 Ms…

bold numbers are wrong ;-) order of names is right
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Dan Hakulin wrote:I´m reporting about mistake in ToM S7´s first race
...
bold numbers are wrong ;-) order of names is right
Thanks, I will take a look ;)

@Raska : thank you for posting the past results based on new system I had calculated
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I finished the new regulations for 2010 and updated the GWR.
The number of events and their distribution may vary significantly from one year to the next, it's why I use fixed increments and they are not calculated using the previous year.
A new category has been created: the "50% car" with the same multipliers than relaxed login (for those who don't take part to F1-Cup this means a competition using a car which is equivalent with game speed = 50% than classic cars and gs = 100%, it allows to control game speed in non login competition and drivers can play without time limit).

New rules : here

And here's the part of the rules concerning score :

3.3) Scores

3.3.1) Classification and calculation
- The ranking of each month/year/category is made according to "score".
- The score of each category is calculated by increments : the more a result is good and the more it will have a significant weight in final "score".
- The scores of each event are rounded to the higher integer.

3.3.2) Disqualifications (DQ)
- According to the GWR a driver is disqualified only in case of cheating, by playing with a prohibited speed game, by using the identity of someone else, by using several nicknames in the same event to skew the results or by modifying the files (screenshot, savegame, track, car, AI, gr.ini). In all other cases he will be considered as NC (not classified) by the GWR.
- In both cases (DQ or NC) the driver scores 0 point.
- For score calculation, a disqualification is more important than all other results.

3.3.3) Increments

Value of increments

Multiplier of Increments

3.3.4) Score calculations for 2010 and drivers
Whole year :
- Score of race (or hotlap, or timetrial) category = points of the 8 best results x1 + points of the next 8 best results x1/2 + points of the next 8 best results x1/4 + ...
- Score for general classification = points of the top 4 results x1 (whatever the category) + points of the next 8 best races and 8 best hotlaps and 8 best timetrials x1 + points of the next 8 best races and 8 best hotlaps and 8 best timetrials x1/2 + points of the next 8 best races and 8 best hotlaps and 8 best timetrials x1/4 + ...

For each month :
- Score of race (or hotlap, or timetrial) category = points of the 2 best results x1 + points of the next 2 best results x1/2 + points of the next 2 best results x1/4 + ...
- Score for general classification = points of the best results x1 (whatever the category) + points of the next 2 best races and 2 best hotlaps and 2 best timetrials x1 + points of the next 2 best races and 2 best hotlaps and 2 best timetrials x1/2 + points of the next 2 best races and 2 best hotlaps and 2 best timetrials x1/4 + ...

3.3.5) Example of score calculation for a month
- A driver runs 21 events in the month and earns the following GWR points (category between brackets) : 2 (C), 75 (TT), 48 (TT), 57 (HL), 37 (C), DQ (C), 88 (C), 23 (TT), 52 (TT), 60 (HL), 67 (HL), 62 (TT), 46 (C), 7 (HL), 72 (C), 72 (HL), 229 (C), 6 (HL), 79 (TT), 46 (TT), 72 (TT).
- Look in the table : the value of increments for a month in each category is 2, and for general classification we have to take the best result.
- After you have to sort the result of each category from the best to the worst (put the DQ at the header of the list because they are considered more important than all other results).

The sorted lists are :
- Races : DQ, 229, 88, 72, 46, 37, 2.
- Hotlaps : 72, 67, 60, 57, 7, 6.
- Timetrials : 79, 75, 72, 62, 52, 48, 46, 23.
- The more important résult is the DQ (0pt, hence the importance of never try to cheat).

- Therefore the scores are (each division is rounded to the higher integer) :
- Races : 0 + 229 + 88/2 + 72/2 + 46/4 + 37/4 + 2/8 = 0 + 229 + 44 + 36 + 12 + 10 + 1 = 332
- Hotlaps : 72 + 67 + 60/2 + 57/2 + 7/4 + 6/4 = 72 + 67 + 30 + 29 + 2 + 2 = 202
- Timetrials : 79 + 75 + 72/2 + 62/2 + 52/4 + 48/4 + 46/8 + 23/8 = 79 + 75 + 36 + 31 + 13 + 12 + 6 + 3 = 255
- Generally : most important result + other results by categories and by increments = 0 + (229 + 88 + 72/2 + 46/2 + 37/4 + 2/4) + (72 + 67 + 60/2 + 57/2 + 7/4 + 6/4) + (79 + 75 + 72/2 + 62/2 + 52/4 + 48/4 + 46/8 + 23/8) = 0 + (229 + 88 + 36 + 23 + 10 + 1) + (72 + 67 + 30 + 29 + 2 + 2) + (79 + 75 + 36 + 31 + 13 + 12 + 6 + 3) = 0 + 387 + 202 + 255 = 844

3.3.6) Score calculations for 2010 and teams
- Important : this is not the total of points of each event which is considered as a result but the points of each driver for each round.
- Else it's the same calculations than drivers, only the increments change.

Example with previous years (don't worry : it's only to illustrate but the past rankings won't be changed)

Drivers
2003 : 1) Tick1983 1791 - 2) Alx.it 1774 - 3) Soltys 1592 (because et took part to 74 races but only 1 TT et 0 HL)
2004 : 1) MagicJ 1964 - 2) Alx.it 1676 - 3) Cole Trickle 1670
2005 : 1) Jo.sk 2815 - 2) Alx.it 2266 - 3) MagicJ 1848
2006 : 1) Jo.sk 2925 - 2) JR Zullo 2894 - 3) SnakeJulio 2715
2007 : 1) Murano 5452 - 2) Alx.it 5079 - 3) Tony 4185
2008 : 1) Alx.it 5123 - 2) Murano 4744 - 3) Alexsara79 3541
2009 : 1) Alexsara79 5968 - 2) Luketes 4385 - 3) Akouk 4127

Teams
2003 : 1) Ibiza 2772 - 2) Minard 2363 - 3) Motorama 2302
2004 : 1) Porsche Cayenne 3859 - 2) BBS 2711 - 3) Brazilian's Racing Team 2151
2005 : 1) Black Racing 2763 - 2) Liekki Racing 1563 - 3) Motorama 1476
2006 : 1) Team Esperanza 3306 - 2) Liekki Racing 2476 - 3) Team RKR 2361
2007 : 1) Motorama 5502 - 2) Team Esperanza 4896 - 3) Salo Racing 2814
2008 : 1) Motorama 6623 - 2) Zonnebloem Racing 5138 - 3) Black Racing 4760
2009 : 1) GeneAyrton 5983 - 2) AD Racing 5517 - 3) Magenta Motors 4274
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Time will show, at this moment I worry, that top 10 of month particular results will be almost equal to results of most prestigious compo of the month (which will have 4 rounds per month, so twice full points from 2 better rounds of the compo, then twice half points of 2 worse rounds of the compo, rest of compos counted as best from 1/3 of points) .... we shall see, if it's step forward ;)
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@Trigger Happy: we have to wait, but according to the (virtual) application of new rules on the previous years ranking, I trust the new points system.

1) About recent penalties with some drivers in F1-Cup :

GWR not follow the compo owner, but as I already said I decided not to change the results of another drivers. The GWR deleted penalties of 4 drivers and gave to them the corresponding GWR points. Nevertheless they did not score any points for F1-Cup championship, it's the responsibility of the organizer JTarJ.
Round 1 / Yonnar :
- 1st : DadouF1 (44pts)
- 2nd : Piritouf (35pts)
- 7th : Raska (15pts)
Round 2 / Sigma Redux
- 1st : Akouk (46pts)

The rule concerning supported competitions has been changed :
2.1) Requirements to be supported
- A new competition, a new season of an old competition or a special event must have an English thread (with the rules, the schedule and the files to use) in one of the the following English forums, in competitions section : Race Department and/or Generally Racers and/or gr.f1
Exception : the F1-Cup Season 20 because at the beginning of the season the previous rule was not clear enough concerning the following point : "new season of an old competition".


2) GWR also decided to convert some of past DQ to NC (not classified) :

3.3.2) Disqualifications (DQ)
- According to the GWR a driver is disqualified only in case of cheating, by playing with a prohibited speed game, by using the identity of someone else, by using several nicknames in the same event to skew the results or by modifying the files (screenshot, savegame, track, car, AI, gr.ini). In all other cases he will be considered as NC (not classified) by the GWR.
- In both cases (DQ or NC) the driver scores 0 point.
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GWR awards of January 2009 :
- Generally : Alexsara79
- Race : Alexsara79
- Hotlap : Jo.sk (my first HL victory since December 2005 !!! :rolleyes: )
- Timetrial : Alexsara79
- Rookies : Cristiano Bohessef
- Teams : GeneAyrton

Big congratulations to the GR King : Alexsara79 :bg:
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Actually, why NBR test round gave less points to the winner than last season's winners with a worse attendance?


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Congrats to Alexsara! :clap: Jo.sk and Christiano - very well done!
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maclape wrote:Actually, why NBR test round gave less points to the winner than last season's winners with a worse attendance?
Where did you see that ? :roll: (in fact it was a little problem in Excel with automatic/manual calculation... I've put a wrong multiplier and even if I've changed it just after, the scores have been not recalculated. But now the bug is fixed)
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Allright. Let me first admit to being a lousy Generally driver but I'm a quantitative researcher so this stuff makes me happy.

So instead of telling you how to become as crappy a racer as I am, I could add to this one.

If you want to declare a winner, there should be a good system behind so participants know in advance what it takes to win. Competing in 'everything' is way too broad to declare someone to be the best.

You need pre-decided selections. What you could do is divide it into categories (long/short, rally, kart, formula etc) and put a weighting into it.

These are the 'A' categories (say ATP for tennis) in which you want the best drivers to be competing for top positions.

'B' categories hardly give you any GWR points. They are for fun and glory but you could use them to qualify for the top events of perhaps give some 'perks' such as seconds advantage or perk such as less weight or less fuel consumption.

This all provides for more competition (not less) because you want the best drivers to race each other, what you will see now (or have seen) is that not everybody notices GWR because one driver races so much that it's not worth the time spent to challenge him.

In this light I looked at the GWR ranking for 2009. Alexsara competed a lot, but was he the best? Without defining which events are crucial, you cannot figure this out.

For instance, take the Monaco Grand Prix, Indy 500 and Le Mans. In the hearts and minds of the real world, this is the 'big three' of annual events.

The winner? Good Riddance was third in Monaco and won both the Indy 500 and Le Mans. Yet he only raced in 40 events year-round so clearly didn't win GWR. In fact, he only just made the top 10.

In terms of competition, there was the month of May where Good Riddance clearly stated that he wanted to charge for GWR. The same thing happened in the last four months. Luketes won the Overall standing for two of these events. Was he the best?

In short, I think you can declare who's the best if you pre-define where the points are given. If you state that points are given 'in all events' then clearly the one with the most time has a better shot at winning. That may indeed be the best driver, but not necessarily.

All in all I'd be in favor of an ATP-style ranking. But then again, I suck so badly at this game that it probably won't matter for me anyway :)
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Jo.sk wrote:
maclape wrote:Actually, why NBR test round gave less points to the winner than last season's winners with a worse attendance?
Where did you see that ? :roll: (in fact it was a little problem in Excel with automatic/manual calculation... I've put a wrong multiplier and even if I've changed it just after, the scores have been not recalculated. But now the bug is fixed)
I was pretty sure i had 46 points in each race, now i have doubst :rolleyes:
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Hi Jo.sk,
You could make a small correction?
ECOlogic Racing Team and ECO Racing Team are the same team, ok? ;)
Thank you. :bg:
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Hi MissileSurfer,
MissileSurfer wrote:If you want to declare a winner, there should be a good system behind so participants know in advance what it takes to win. Competing in 'everything' is way too broad to declare someone to be the best.
I think that is a good thing to count all events (but minor events give only a few points).
MissileSurfer wrote:You need pre-decided selections. What you could do is divide it into categories (long/short, rally, kart, formula etc) and put a weighting into it.
There is already a weighting for each event, calculated with attendance, distance, category (Race / HL / TT).
MissileSurfer wrote:These are the 'A' categories (say ATP for tennis) in which you want the best drivers to be competing for top positions.

'B' categories hardly give you any GWR points. They are for fun and glory but you could use them to qualify for the top events of perhaps give some 'perks' such as seconds advantage or perk such as less weight or less fuel consumption.
In fact, with the current system there is almost 'A' and 'B' categories : the big events like Indy500 / ToM / ... are in the 'A' category because they give a lot of points (big multiplier, a lot of drivers and also top drivers), and minor events are in 'B' category (it's not exactly the same than your, but the low amount of points causes a low impact on rankings
MissileSurfer wrote:This all provides for more competition (not less) because you want the best drivers to race each other, what you will see now (or have seen) is that not everybody notices GWR because one driver races so much that it's not worth the time spent to challenge him.
Yes, a driver who take part to many event can earn many points event if he's a bad driver, but even if he run all the events it's impossible for him to win the GWR (it's maybe possible if he's not the best but only "good").
But it's why the rules have changed for 2010, now only the X best results are fully counted, the others have a little multiplier.
MissileSurfer wrote:In this light I looked at the GWR ranking for 2009. Alexsara competed a lot, but was he the best? Without defining which events are crucial, you cannot figure this out.
Yes, Alexsara79 completed a lot of events and earn a lot of points, but in my opinion he was also the best driver of the year. His large attendance has only enlarged the gap on the others (he would have won even if only the 100, 70, 50, 30, 20, 10 or 7 !!! best results were counted)
MissileSurfer wrote:The winner? Good Riddance was third in Monaco and won both the Indy 500 and Le Mans. Yet he only raced in 40 events year-round so clearly didn't win GWR. In fact, he only just made the top 10.
I agree that is not necessary to do hundreds events to win the GWR, but as you said : "Good Riddance raced only in 40 events", and I think it's not enough even with very good results (and Alex stay the winner even with only the 40 best results !)

In conclusion I think the old points system was not bad but imperfect, but nobody took the opportunity to win the GWR only by taking part to many events. I think the past winners was the best drivers, but to avoid problems the points system has been changed this year ;)
FogoRJ wrote:Hi Jo.sk,
You could make a small correction?
ECOlogic Racing Team and ECO Racing Team are the same team, ok? ;)
Thank you. :bg:
OK ;)
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Little change in the rules :

2.1) Requirements to be supported
- A new competition, a new season of an old competition or a special event must have an English thread (with the rules, the schedule and the files to use) in the following English forum, in competitions section : Generally Racers
Exception : the F1-Cup Season 20 because at the beginning of the season the previous rule was not clear enough concerning the following point : "new season of an old competition".

4.2) Deadline of publication* to be counted in the month
- Until January 2010 : the last day of the month, 23h59 GMT-12 (Tahiti**).
- Since February 2010 : the first day of the next month, 23h59 GMT+1 (Paris). Only if the deadline is before the end of the month.

* publication of results or at least the replays.
** because at this hour the month is finished in the whole world.
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I do think it is a little bit silly to grant me a prize (which I'm heading towards as rookie of the month) when I've done only one race (and fifth place) and will do only one more this month..
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Hey.. someone could edit the GWR?

it were nice if someone could delete there my two names (bennil, Bennii125)

or put these together and name my "Account" Zero.
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Analytico wrote:I do think it is a little bit silly to grant me a prize (which I'm heading towards as rookie of the month) when I've done only one race (and fifth place) and will do only one more this month..
There is several reasons :
1) the month is not finished, some others rookies could win.
2) the a lack of rookies this year, and they take part to only a few number of events (except Piet_Agoras but with bad results)

and if you are not the best rookie, maybe be you are the least bad... then you deserve anyway the 1st position :scratch:
Zero wrote:Hey.. someone could edit the GWR?
it were nice if someone could delete there my two names (bennil, Bennii125)
or put these together and name my "Account" Zero.
Yes ;)
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Just a heads up: Air Asia Racing/Lukeno1 Sports come under the Racing Arrows Corporation banner, which I would like renaming to Lukeno1 Motorsports Corporation, if possible (with a reference to the old name). :)
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Congratulations to Alx.it for his victory with only 4 events and incredible avarage points :clap:
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Is it results of World Ranking or of one compo, btw?
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Its for March GWR ;)
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Congrats alx.it!

And also Buka for TT and FogoRJ for HL! :clap: ...even if there was only 3 and 2 events in those categories :P
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Thank you for the congratulations ;)

Sorry for the late, but this was for me a real surprise, considering that I didn't visited the GWR since a while.
In the last year I did so few races that I honestly cannot suppose that I could have been back in fight for a monthly title.

Some days ago I received a PM from Buka with the invitation at the GWL-S23, but I read it quickly and I didn't noticed that he wrote "winner of the General and Race standings in March", I just supposed that the invitation was because I was the winner of the last GWL season :scratch: (infact, I thought to refuse the invitation...)

Yesterday, just for curiosity ("let see who is the GWR winner this month") I took a look at this thread, and I had to read twice the last posts, then I even jumped on the GWR site to be sure :faint:

Since my withdraw from the competitions I thought that GWR monthly ranking was no more up to me, so now I'm overhappy to be back on the top :woohoo: , and I also feel a little bit younger :goodvibes:

Thank you all and best regards
Alx.it :wave:

BTW, congratulations to fogoRJ, Buka and Pahkis :clap:
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