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Football Teams Generally AI?

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:24 pm
by ivaneurope
Greetings,

I'm currently working on a open source project that will be something new to the GeneRally. So far the project is in progress stage and I'll show it when the time comes. One of the things I'll reveal however is that the racing in GeneRally will be between football teams (on club and international level). However I need your help with the AI level of the teams. I'd like to use the league tables as a AI base, but for some like the international tournaments some teams fail to score points or in others the gap between first and sixth in a group (you can't have 18-20 drivers) will be unrealistic. How can I make the most realistic AI based on football scores?

Re: Football Teams Generally AI?

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:31 pm
by Marcinho
Maybe Football Manager?

Re: Football Teams Generally AI?

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:53 pm
by kuba

Re: Football Teams Generally AI?

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:57 pm
by puttz
When I make AI sets based on real series, I usually take the best driver (season champion) and set him at a base value (usually 100). I then assign AI values to other drivers based on relative points to the champion, usually decreasing by 1, or if there is a very small gap 2 or even 3 drivers can share the same value, and if there is a large gap I'll jump by a couple of levels. It's not an exact or scientific method, but it works for me. You might be able to adapt that using the records of the teams relative to each other.

Re: Football Teams Generally AI?

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:18 pm
by Marcinho
@kuba

Real Sociedad (#81) is better than Legia Warsaw (#76).

Re: Football Teams Generally AI?

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:12 pm
by ivaneurope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%8 ... ague_table

Let's take for example the 2014-15 Premier League. Champion Chelsea is the base AI 100. How to make the AI for the other clubs?

Re: Football Teams Generally AI?

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:41 pm
by Lorenzo
I'd rather calculate strength of a team looking at market value of its players (for example by taking median or average value), which is in my opinion the only reliable determinant of team's force. UEFA ranking works well for teams which at least from time to time participate in international cups, yet it is worthless in case of comparing teams outside the strict top - as Marcinho said, any team from Primera Divison clearly plays better than Legia Warsaw. You can obtain all necessary data from transfermarkt.

Re: Football Teams Generally AI?

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:50 pm
by ivaneurope
Well, I was going to make it like puttz does and here's the provisional level for Premier League 14/15
  • Chelsea 87 0 100
    Manchester City 79 8 99
    Arsenal 75 12 98
    Manchester United 70 17 97
    Tottenham Hotspur 64 23 96
    Liverpool 62 25 96
    Southampton 60 27 95
    Swansea City 56 31 94
    Stoke City 54 33 94
    Crystal Palace 48 39 93
    Everton 47 40 93
    West Ham United 47 40 93
    West Bromwich Albion 44 43 92
    Leicester City 41 46 91
    Newcastle United 39 48 91
    Sunderland 38 49 91
    Aston Villa 38 49 91
    Hull City 35 52 90
    Burnley 33 54 90
    Queens Park Rangers 30 57 89
The first number is the points tally, the second - difference from first and the third - AI Level