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thegreatfalcon
Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:26 am Posts: 1117
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 Re: GeneRally Awards List
Lukeno1 wrote: Dan Hakulin will become a track master with time. It's the little details that make one a master of his profession, which is why egamad, Aleksi and Haruna have been put through now, and others may not have. Are you saying that Haq does only crap once a month? I think he's outputting about the same number of tracks than egamad on a month scale and - again I don't say that egamad's stuff is bad, it's very good - Haq's tracks have IMHO more quality... I don't say either that I'd choose between one of the two, just that from the two, I think that Haq is deserving the "honor" to be the first to have an award... Anyways...
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Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:28 am |
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Buka
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:30 pm Posts: 2036 Location: Ukraine, Kyiv
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thegreatfalcon wrote: Are you saying that Haq does only crap once a month? Where did you read that? thegreatfalcon wrote: I don't say either that I'd choose between one of the two, just that from the two, I think that Haq is deserving the "honor" to be the first to have an award... Anyways... Unfortunately (or fortunately) awards are given not by users but by admins. So your IMHO and your post just spoil impression from new awards. As well as Darjo's (which is almost offending). IMHO.
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Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:43 am |
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Darjo
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:47 pm Posts: 212 Location: Italy
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Sorry if I sounded rude, I wasn't willing to offend anyone and I wasn't actually complaining about mods' decisions, I was just giving my opinion 
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Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:26 pm |
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Lukeno94
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:59 am Posts: 4128
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I don't take it as rude and I was the one it was aimed at, so...  Don't worry Darjo. And TGF, please tell me where the hell I said Dan made bad tracks.
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Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:47 pm |
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egamad
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:04 pm Posts: 758 Location: Slovenia
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I didn't want to be a part of this discussion, but now I feel I have to say something about all this.
First of all, in a very humble manner, I'm really happy for the award. It gives me affirmation that my creations have some weight in the GeneRally universe. But on the other side it has a bitter taste to it, knowing that people don't think I truly deserve it. The thing is, I never asked for it. And I never would have, knowing that a title like this can only come with hard work and dedication and quite frankly, I never considered myself to be an extremely popular trackmaker like Aleksi or BBA are. That's mainly because my passions are rally and other track types that are less represented (when I started trackmaking almost no rally tracks were being published, and IIRC Haq wasn't yet active back then, so rally wasn't that popular either). Like every other trackmaker I developed, and am stil developing, a personal style, but I try very hard to make my tracks as different and as diverse as I can. I enjoy experimenting and trying new and different things, even more, if other people like what I create. I try to publish lots of different track types, even if that means that I'm not a specialist in any of them. I always accepted criticism and tried to make the most of it, slowly but steadily improving. And somewhere along all this, I guess my work got appreciated by some people, even to the point, where I was given the Trackmaster award. I agree, it's not that transparent why I got it; Aleksi for sure got it for his ever wonderful style, outstanding AI lines and a taste for details, BBA got it for his remarkable recreations of RWL tracks in GeneRally, the same goes for Maciej1. All of them got confirmation also in ToM. But the same respectable people who saw their greatness, decided that I deserve the award too. Why that is, I repeat, I don't know. But I respect their decision and suggest that others do too.
And to answer on TGF's ranting about Haq not geting an award - Dan is in my opinion a very skilled trackmaker, one of my idols, my inspiration on many occasions and also a friend, and I would be most happy to see him get a Trackmaster award. But like Buka said, it's not our place to say, so there's no point to argue. Also it casts a shadow on Haq's good name, as it looks like you're arguing on his initiative (which is absolutely not true I believe!). But as far as I know him, he wouldn't, and hasn't, tried to get the award by arguing with the admins. Also I know that you didn't mean anything bad, but please, show some respect for admins' decision.
I hope I didn't offend anyone.
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Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:39 pm |
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Lukeno94
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:59 am Posts: 4128
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I would disagree with your point about your popularity, but that then is just my opinion. And I agree with you, Dan is not the sort of person to query an admin's decision. As I said, give it time, if he keeps up his current standards and improves on them (even the best can improve), it is only a matter of time. 
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Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:45 pm |
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Mad Dan
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:46 pm Posts: 2500 Location: Czech Republic
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I´m sorry I started this....  I want to say that I´m not arguing to get an award, even if it´s my dream since I discovered GR community. I respect admins and their decision and I don´t have any problems with it  . I didn´t want to offend anyone in my first message, especially not egamad who is one of my favourite trackmakers and also my friend. He deserve his award, no doubts  . Hope that it is clear now  .
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Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:57 pm |
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Lukeno94
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:59 am Posts: 4128
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Don't worry, you didn't start it, we did  Anyway, can we now move on from this discussion?
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Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:36 pm |
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Trigger Happy
Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:54 pm Posts: 7087 Location: CZE
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I think, that is true, that egamad hasn't made so much tracks like e.g. Pahkasika, however egamad surely did lot of them - over 40 ATM. And IMHO his outstanding creativity is remarkable.  BTW Don't worry to say your opinion freely. Me or anybody around is not god, you may disagree or dispute it, definitely you don't have to be quiet. I read some really good points here, which stays in my mind. And believe me, update of the awards is harder thing than I ever expected.  Be sure, that these ranks caused quite heavy headaches to certain people repeatedly.
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Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:09 pm |
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zsoltbartok
Joined: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:28 pm Posts: 286 Location: My own fantasy world
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Congratulations, new masters! Even if I'm new in the GR community I know your contributions to the game quite well (read RSC for 5 years, no net connection so just a passive member) and I am happy to see those new banners under your avatars!
Admins, have you talked about an award for racing legends, maybe? I still think that it would be good. When I take part in compos, I try to be closer to the best GR drivers, they inspire me to practice more, just like the new trackmasters inspire me to be a better trackmaker. I believe many of us feels this way.
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Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:14 am |
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Herbal
Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:52 pm Posts: 1815 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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mizzamar wrote: Admins, have you talked about an award for racing legends, maybe? I still think that it would be good. When I take part in compos, I try to be closer to the best GR drivers, they inspire me to practice more, just like the new trackmasters inspire me to be a better trackmaker. I believe many of us feels this way. I don't think it would be that necessary. However I was in the electors' group just because I'm one of the two founders of GRIF, so I don't have much influence in the future of Generally. I think neither Tuomo, nor James did think about adding one more award. Nonetheless, what I've wanted to say with it is, that it's just my thinking, Mizzamar, you've forgotten that we had in a period a Generally World League, on side of GWR. IMO GWL was the one to present us the Racer of the Month. Many of us, compo managers did already run this competition (jo.sk, Murano, James C., myself and Buka), but this didn't show much interest in the last 6-8 seasons. That's why I think, we don't need a "GR speedy gonzalez" award: simply there wouldn't be much interest for it. And what would decide a great driver? Fame? Speed? Most wins? Style? Habit? Encouraging drivers to race? There are too many factors which would decide a driver legend. However I know some awards could still be given to famous drivers, but then, you can just search the "racing chronicles" for them: in GWR. I think just talking about them is a great achievement. And then, even in Formula-1 there are still questions who can be be considered as a legend. It would be just a subjective list IMO, too close to personal preference.
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Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:53 pm |
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Trigger Happy
Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:54 pm Posts: 7087 Location: CZE
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DXTR wrote: It would be just a subjective list IMO, too close to personal preference. As all 3 other awards. In fact a rank partially based on some GWR stats can be most objective of all. And no, Mizzamar, we haven't discussed it.
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Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:00 pm |
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zsoltbartok
Joined: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:28 pm Posts: 286 Location: My own fantasy world
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@DXTR: All right. You know the members of the community way better than me, you know better what they find important or unimportant. So if you say that people here at GRIF don't care about a drivers' master title, I have to believe you. I know that those members who are devoted to racing only are usually not so active in the forum, maybe they just wouldn't care indeed.
But I think differently, even if everyone is against the idea. I can only repeat my arguments: Trackmakers have ToM plus title, drivers have only GWR. Some drivers spent years racing, spend just as much time with GR as track/carmakers - so their commitment could be rewarded somehow here too, not only by GWR. I miss that. If it's only me who misses a new title, then it's pointless to go into details about how to select the legends. If it's possible to select trackmasters, great drivers can also be selected, for sure. But I feel that I'm alone with this (I tried to start a discussion about it but it died) and pointless things should be stopped. So this is my last post about the matter, I'll stop bothering you with it.
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Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:34 pm |
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Genetleman
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:59 am Posts: 203 Location: -----> <-----
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...well well well surprise surprise Sorry to dig this thread up but I only just noticed that I have been given an award here - thank you guys, this is really very nice and I hope I can cope with the expectation that comes with it.
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Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:18 am |
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TuomoH
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:04 pm Posts: 2084
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21st September 2011
I'm pleased to announce that eight new GR Awards have been given out, elected by the admins of GRIF, with the approvement of James Burgess and Rich Nagel.
Track Masters: HJ Dragon Dan Hakulín Areen
Car Masters: Doorslammer Krisu
GeneRally Wizards: majortom Crono
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:52 pm |
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Buka
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:30 pm Posts: 2036 Location: Ukraine, Kyiv
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Oh, this is unexpected update. But all new awards are well deserved!  Congratulations, mates,  don't stop in your creations, please.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:15 am |
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James
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 267
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Congrats guys 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:36 am |
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XYY
Joined: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:37 pm Posts: 4725 Location: NRW in Germany
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Unexpected, that for sure! But congrats anyway 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:36 pm |
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Herbal
Joined: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:52 pm Posts: 1815 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Congrats, guys, you've all deserved your "promotions"! 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:54 pm |
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Areen
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Wow, thank You for this award. It looks awesome 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:21 pm |
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Emil Patanen
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:09 pm Posts: 466 Location: Finland
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Really awesome to get this award. Thank You very much for giving it to me. This award became one of my dreams pretty soon after I started releasing tracks and it means a lot to me to get this award. Also, I want to thank everyone who adviced me and who motivated me by commenting my tracks or simply by downloading them or voting/nominating them on ToM. Congrats to all others who got award!
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:11 pm |
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DuklaLiberec
Joined: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:54 pm Posts: 1853 Location: Germany
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Congrats guys. 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:48 pm |
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AleksiNir
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:18 pm Posts: 799 Location: Finland
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Unexpected indeed! Congratulations to everyone who got a title, you're all great at what you do 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:54 pm |
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Yusei Fudo
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:23 am Posts: 357
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Congratz everyone 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:25 pm |
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Lukeno94
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:59 am Posts: 4128
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Totally deserved! Congratulations to all of you!
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:26 pm |
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