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Well, the penalty is all the better for Räikkönen, because now there's one less lunatic to watch out in the start. Hoping for Kimi to win, but it's going to be hard if Button keeps the same pace as he had in the qualies.

Actually I'd say now it's worse for Räikkönen. Previously he had both the lunatics in front of him on eyes, so basically under control. Now with one moved in row just behind his rear he can only wait, what will come into mirrors - if alonso or the battering ram - and in that moment may be already too late to save it anyhow.

Anyone else find it suspicious/weird that Maldonado got a 3-place penalty to put him by Hamilton?

Well, what about Webber's gearbox change?

That's not suspicious though, as Webber said, it was obviously going to happen after the previous race.

Trigger Happy wrote:Actually I'd say now it's worse for Räikkönen. Previously he had both the lunatics in front of him on eyes, so basically under control. Now with one moved in row just behind his rear he can only wait, what will come into mirrors - if alonso or the battering ram - and in that moment may be already too late to save it anyhow.

Lukeno94 wrote:Anyone else find it suspicious/weird that Maldonado got a 3-place penalty to put him by Hamilton?

They're trying to replicate 1998.

1nsane wrote:They're trying to replicate 1998.

They had a good go at it didnt they... Glad erveryone was ok, it looked very nasty!

Jenson deserved the victory and Vettel had a great comeback. Moreover, Kimi is on the podium.

Shame Schumi lost his 6th gear though, he had had a great race in his jubilee.

Yeah, haven't seen that many cars getting some air in a while. Apparently Alonso was hit in the head by Grosjean's car (well, according to the finnish commentators anyways), so luckily nothing happened to him either.

Renault just needs to change their engine provider (ehe, hehe) to Mercedes. Both Red Bull and Renault were awfully slow on the straights all the time and it can't be just down to the setup.

Overall a nice finishing order, although I'd rather have seen the same order as when the safety car left with the Force India on podium.
And finally an entertaining race from the beginning to the end after a bit of a while.

1nsane wrote: Apparently Alonso was hit in the head by Grosjean's car (well, according to the finnish commentators anyways),

So it's more likely that nothing hit him

Okey, seems that Grosjean got 50 000$ fines and one race ban.

Ban is unfair, yes it was silly but was it worse than some incidents in last few years that did not get a ban (Schumacher on Barrichello in Hungary to name one)

Grosjean made a silly mistake but to be honest, things like that happen after start when its crowded into so sharp corner. Yes Alonso could have been injured badly if the car had hit his head .
But generally these decisions are killing the racing imho...

On contrary I think this very well chosen penalty call. And should be given more often for most silly moves.

My apologize to Grosjean for omitting his capabilities in yesterday considering various options of brain-less torpedos for today's start.

GeneSuomi wrote:

1nsane wrote: Apparently Alonso was hit in the head by Grosjean's car (well, according to the finnish commentators anyways),

So it's more likely that nothing hit him

Hehe, yeah.. Looking at some of the pictures now, there was still a lot of room between the car and the head. Typical Oskari Saari, then.. Grosjean's car did get awfully close to Alonso's hand though. Kinda turned my stomach around on that onboard.

Looking at the crash now it's actually quite amazing Kobayashi managed to drive through the complete race, considering the others literally drove over him in the start. Some other drivers would propably have just parked the car right there.

I guess the stewards' "cup just filled" with Grosjean's start crashes. He did the similar kind of error of not looking around during the start earlier in the season. Grosjean can be lucky that the team owner is also his manager. Otherwise he could be sitting the rest of the season on the sidelines.
Although it makes you wonder why they haven't given the same penalty to Maldonado yet, since he managed to get three penalties on this weekend alone..

They did. Maldonado has a 10 place grid drop. Never saw the incident with Glock though!

Yes, they gave just a 10 place grid drop. That's what I meant with 3 penalties. (Well, the first one being the one in qualies). It's just starting to get to a bit ridiculous with the amount of penalties he keeps on racking on pretty much every race. One race ban would give him some time to think what is the reason for all of these penalties. (Hint: It's not the others, or the car.)

As for the crash with Glock, you could replay his comments from either the previous race where "My car just understeered a bit and it hit the other car" or his comment from UK race where "My car just oversteered a little and hit the other car a bit". So yeah, in the restart when going to the hairpin he locked the brakes and understeered to Glock.

Interesting thing i read on twitter, In only three rounds this year has Maldonado not picked up a single penalty all weekend, not sure which ones though...

Well, aside from the Spanish GP... I'd guess maybe Australia where he just did it all by himself and... Uhh... Ehh...

And you could actually roll the interview from Valencia: "He just turned in on me and I had nowhere to go".

Surprised nothing was said about Vettel swerving right towards two people in the Bus Stop...

That's because no accident happened and no real harm whatsoever. So good clean passes.

So hey, while we're waiting for the next race to begin, let's have a fun little guessing game!

As you all know, the biggest rumour of the last race was that Hamilton might be moving to Mercedes. They also said Massa could still stay at Ferrari. But the list of drivers rumoured to take his seat would fill a whole new series itself. Webber and Vettel both have a contract for the next season, but as we all know, contracts mean nothing in F1.

So... Try to predict the seats of The Big Five Teams! As in:

Red Bull
Driver 1:
Driver 2:

McLaren
Driver 1:
Driver 2:

Ferrari
Driver 1:
Driver 2:

Lotus
Driver 1:
Driver 2:

Mercedes
Driver 1:
Driver 2:


Then, once the season is over, or once the seats have been confirmed, we can come back and see how we managed.

Detail, why to guess seats, where already are signed or still running contracts like Alonso, Vettel, Webber, Button or Räikkönen?

Because there have been rumours that if Hamilton moves to Mercedes, Räikkönen could jump to McLaren. Heck, even Vettel has been rumoured to move to Ferrari. That's what I meant with contracts meaning practically nothing in F1. Pretty much the only seats which are somewhat confirmed are Alonso, Webber and Button.

1nsane wrote:Heck, even Vettel has been rumoured to move to Ferrari. That's what I meant with contracts meaning practically nothing in F1.

But articles in Bild and similar junks mean even less. They should have instead of front page headline a similar warning about brain damage like cigarette boxes about lung cancer.